We speak with Derek Zolner who leads legal at Centro after a stint at Oracle and many years in private practice. We will discuss the shift from litigation to commercial legal work and on-house counseling. Do litigators make good in-house lawyers and can they learn data and privacy? In this case, YES. We’ll also discuss Chicago as a town for in-house jobs, legal work and pizza. And the band Chicago who are just flat out EPIC and in the pantheon of cheese-80s rock. “Look Away” is how many people also feel about AdTech too.